Funny Thing Happened in the Forums

First, a tiny bit of background on one of the funniest things to happen in the forums of the KYRF.  Screw that, let me just link the post and you draw your own conclusions:
[EDIT] They cleaned out the thread, look below for a link to a preserved copy, if you want to [/EDIT]

She was shut down by the admin in a PM and then tried to apologise to me in a PM this past night some time.  She goes by littleangel on the forums.

From: Littleangel
To: deckyon
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:31 pm
Subject: Appologies?
Brad, I want to appologize if I hurt your feelings. I really didn’t mean to start a “catfight”. I thought I point out some tihings to work on. I’m sincerely sorry for causing trouble, it was not my intention at all. I just didn’t expect such a reaction from you.
I post my works for the analizing and critical notices at one photo-art-forum constantly and I got used to people’s comments in a harsh kind of way. I don’t say it’s normal. It’s just the way fellow photographers talk to each other. My mistake was in posting it in public. Please don’t take it seriously. I was joking at some point too. My language can be forgiven for English is a foreign language for me,
Upon the agreement we can ask the admin to clean the topic and continue discussions only in PM or not continue them at all. Please accept my sincere appologies for my notes were just a mere desire for discussion. 

About comments on my pictures: colours can’t be judged on the scan quality, tight cropping or framing is publishers’, the only thing I will agree with is that the knight’s face was underexposed.
BTW, I wasn’t talking about UV filters, I meant PL. I agree UV don’t do too much good in overcast.
I also didn’t give you links to my works to analyze them. I thought you would know better than to judge picture by the scans.

I really hope not to become your enemy. Peace?

From: deckyon
To: Littleangel
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:11 am
Subject: Re: Appologies?
Learn when to critique and how. In a public forum without being asked is just plain rude, as you were repeatedly told. Also, broad, general statements with no links to actual photos just looks like you are trying to boost your own ego. I am sure you were. I dont think it worked, in fact, I have a feeling you have severly hurt your reputation at the faire – everyone who replied were cast or acts or vendors. I could care less what you think about my shots – I don’t even know you. you did NOT hurt my feelings. I laughed my ass off. 

I do not want that taken down, and I will have the admin make sure it stays up.

As for peace – again, I could care less – I dont know you.

Apologies? Nah, apologise to everyone on the forums for tainting it. I dont know you, I dont care about you and your opinion is worth nothing to me. Dont apologise to me, you did not effect my mood except make me laugh.

However, I would rather not hear from you again or I will consider it trolling, baiting and harrassment and I will let the admin know you will not stop.

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“Widdershins go when the Moon doth wane, and the werewolf howls by the dread wolfsbane.”

http://renfaire.sturmphoto.com
http://www.sturmphoto.com

Really funny shit!

Weekend 5 – Up and Running!
deckyon
Knight
Weekend 5 – Up and Running!
Yep, Weekend 5 is uploaded. Check it out when you have a chance.
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“Widdershins go when the Moon doth wane, and the werewolf howls by the dread wolfsbane.”
Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:21 pm
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Sir James
Inn Keeper
Nice Pictures, as usual, and of course….
Well Done!!!!
Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:07 pm
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Littleangel
Peasant
Many photographs are overlit and overexposed, be easy on the flash also or get a diffuser to soften it. You tend to miss the good moments at the joust or the Equestrian Arts, try continious shooting. Also get yourself a UV filter, to get rid of the washed-off sky during the bright sun-shine or over-cast.
Don’t flash people in the face  , you miss the natural colors. And good luck, we all are learning. Camera take not only patience, but a lot of practice and knowledge.
Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:33 am
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deckyon
Knight
um, yeah. ok.
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“Widdershins go when the Moon doth wane, and the werewolf howls by the dread wolfsbane.”
Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:16 am
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Mia
Foot Soldier
Yeah, just keep trying Brad, you’ll get there……
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“There is an eagle in me that wants to soar and there is a hippopotamus in me that wants to wallow in the mud” ~Carl Sandburg~
Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:23 am
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travis
I’ve got a renfaire problem
I’ve gone through a lot of the pictures, and I’m afraid I don’t understand what you’re saying. Can you link to specific examples of overexposed pictures and one that is not to show the contrast between the two? I’m not seeing it at all.
I rarely even see Deckyon using a flash when he is taking pictures of our show…
Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:35 am
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Sir James
Inn Keeper
I feel so over exposed………
Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:43 am
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Karl
I’ve got a renfaire problem
Also, consider your outfit. I think being in a Highland faire the black pants don’t really do you or the faire justice. Though bold, red is really not your color, I would try for a burnt umber or perhaps an azure. Now while the goatee is attractive, I think your face would benefit more from a pair of mutton chops while leaving a little love patch under your bottom lip. When making your jewelry you should try adding less rings per link for the ladies as your chains tend to be heavy and burdensome. Think of the poor delicate flowers who have to carry such armor. Not all of us are as big and strong as you. Speaking of which, you could tend to lose a little weight. Perhaps think about weaning yourself off having so many beers throughout the day. It would probably be easier to do if you chose to hang out with different friends. Some of them drink and smoke way too much, and a number of them laugh too much and have too much of a good time. And especially don’t hang around the mud beggars! They are dirty, crass, rude, disrespectful, uncouth, and insulting. Plus, their muddy appearance makes it hard to get a properly exposed photo. I hate them. Mud beggars suck.
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:44 am
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Littleangel
Peasant
Don’t be so serious, even the greatest of our kind need the advice sometimes. The photographs I’ve seen are not perfect. It’s just means there is place for improvement even if you are a professional. You have such faithful fans and models.
Too many drinks don’t help to focus either)))
Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:00 am
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deckyon
Knight
tell you what, if you want to be taken seriously, post a link to your work.
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“Widdershins go when the Moon doth wane, and the werewolf howls by the dread wolfsbane.”
Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:03 am
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Littleangel
Peasant
Look me up in Renaissance magazine (I think issue #58has about 14 images of mine taken at OhioRenFest and issue 59 has a correction note about me being an author) – I’m still working on my web page, besides I don’t want to be serious, I just wanted to tip you. I have struggles with overcast sky myself.
Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:14 am
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deckyon
Knight
When dealing with bright sunlight, especially in the middle of the day, you can compensate by dropping the exposure by 1 to 1.5 stops, 2 if during the zenith of the sun’s path. The problem comes when the subject is against a dark background, like at the joust field. At that point, since the subject is NOT the sky, you expose for the jousters, stopping down a stop or so.
When it comes to flash indoors, especially the pub, sometimes, due to lighting, the flash is usefull. it will keep the photos sharp without motion blur or digital noise from using a high ISO. There are other ways to do things, sometimes when the time to shoot the show or subjects is short, the flash is a very good way to get the shot when the alternative is not to have the shot.
Framing is actually more important than flash or exposure. See, if you cut someone’s head off, or have part of them out of the shot, then there is no real way to fix that. Exposure and white balance can be fixed.
Everything I shoot and upload (from faire) are only raws resized. The photos that have been given to specific people for specific reasons have been edited and corrections for lighting made. The website is for people to look at, enjoy the memories, and to provide a catalogue of filenames for people to request the full frame.
Unless you can actually provide any examples, I will have to call BS. I am not going out to buy a mag. Besides, I would rather have something to link here while I provide a full critique on your supposed professional and elite work.
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“Widdershins go when the Moon doth wane, and the werewolf howls by the dread wolfsbane.”
Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:36 am
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Ronan
Foot Soldier
SMACKDOWN!!!!
Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:50 am
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deckyon
Knight
not smackdown, just fair reciprocation. I have never professed to taking perfect pictures. If I did, it would be a full time job, not a part time one. If someone is going to critique ALL of my work with vague statements and no real critique, then I want the chance to do the same. Blanket statements with no real merit buzz me off more than anything else. If someone wants to name or link an image and actually do a PROFESSIONAL critique, I am fine with that and will take suggestions that would work in that situation and apply them next time that composition came up.
Man up and post an image.
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“Widdershins go when the Moon doth wane, and the werewolf howls by the dread wolfsbane.”
Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:01 am
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Readingsbyregan
I’ve got a renfaire problem
deckyon wrote:
not smackdown, just fair reciprocation. I have never professed to taking perfect pictures. If I did, it would be a full time job, not a part time one. If someone is going to critique ALL of my work with vague statements and no real critique, then I want the chance to do the same. Blanket statements with no real merit buzz me off more than anything else. If someone wants to name or link an image and actually do a PROFESSIONAL critique, I am fine with that and will take suggestions that would work in that situation and apply them next time that composition came up.
Man up and post an image.
You are my forum hero.
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Regan Wann
The Cunning Woman and Jack Salt
2007 Vendor of the Year
www.reganwann.com
http://reganwann.etsy.com
Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:11 am
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Readingsbyregan
I’ve got a renfaire problem
Karl wrote:
Also, consider your outfit. I think being in a Highland faire the black pants don’t really do you or the faire justice. Though bold, red is really not your color, I would try for a burnt umber or perhaps an azure. Now while the goatee is attractive, I think your face would benefit more from a pair of mutton chops while leaving a little love patch under your bottom lip. When making your jewelry you should try adding less rings per link for the ladies as your chains tend to be heavy and burdensome. Think of the poor delicate flowers who have to carry such armor. Not all of us are as big and strong as you. Speaking of which, you could tend to lose a little weight. Perhaps think about weaning yourself off having so many beers throughout the day. It would probably be easier to do if you chose to hang out with different friends. Some of them drink and smoke way too much, and a number of them laugh too much and have too much of a good time. And especially don’t hang around the mud beggars! They are dirty, crass, rude, disrespectful, uncouth, and insulting. Plus, their muddy appearance makes it hard to get a properly exposed photo. I hate them. Mud beggars suck.
I think I literally just died laughing a little. I’m much better now. I love you, Karl. Mud beggars do suck, though.
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Regan Wann
The Cunning Woman and Jack Salt
2007 Vendor of the Year
www.reganwann.com
http://reganwann.etsy.com
Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:12 am
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Readingsbyregan
I’ve got a renfaire problem
Littleangel wrote:
Don’t be so serious, even the greatest of our kind need the advice sometimes. The photographs I’ve seen are not perfect. It’s just means there is place for improvement even if you are a professional. You have such faithful fans and models.
Too many drinks don’t help to focus either)))
Uncool and inappropriate on so many levels I’m floored. Wow.
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Regan Wann
The Cunning Woman and Jack Salt
2007 Vendor of the Year
www.reganwann.com
http://reganwann.etsy.com
Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:12 am
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Littleangel
Peasant
Now we are talking))) Btw, I never stated that I’m a professional, I am an amateur, which is proper name for any photogrpher untill he’s acknoledged by public.
Dropping the exposure is not going to resolve the problem, the jousters will be underexposed as you said, however the filter could help and also framing the exposure with possible compelation in Photoshop afterwards. Since you are shooting in RAW it’s pretty easy to save even the overexposed images when you develop photographs in Photoshop. It is hard to shoot in overcast or bright sunlight so they made filters to save the situation.
I don’t mind using the flash in the places like pub, however the diffuser would really help to bounce and soften the light. Overexposure really can really be fixed even in RAW.
Framing as you call it or composition is one of the main points and it’s not only cutting the heads off, it’s about composing the shot thoughtfully. One of the main lacks of nowadays photographers.
There is a scan of a magazine (all photographes are mine, don’t mind the scan quality)
http://arttower.ru/forum/uploads/monthly_02_2008/blogentry-839-1202314659.jpg
http://arttower.ru/forum/uploads/monthly_02_2008/blogentry-839-1202314727.jpg
http://arttower.ru/forum/uploads/monthly_11_2007/blogentry-839-1196322109.jpg (Liam’s Fancy takes great shots:))
Don’t get upset and filled up with BS. If I don’t like the photos I say it. You really should learn to take advices and critical notices peacefully. Trust me not everbody will always praise you.
Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:15 am
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Littleangel
Peasant
Quote:
Uncool and inappropriate on so many levels I’m floored
I was talking about myself here as well))
At least the forum is lively now. People, please don’t get mad at me, just because I have a different opinion from yours))
Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:27 am
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Mia
Foot Soldier
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Since when is unsolicited, negative, public critique ok? Would not this photographic discussion best be handled in PM?
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“There is an eagle in me that wants to soar and there is a hippopotamus in me that wants to wallow in the mud” ~Carl Sandburg~
Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:34 am
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Joy
Knight
Mia wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Since when is unsolicited, negative, public critique ok? Would not this photographic discussion best be handled in PM?
I fully agree. I feel it was not the content, but rather the presentation.
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Did you ever stop to think and forget to start again?
A.A. Milne
Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:40 am
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Mia
Foot Soldier
“Criticism is an indirect form of self-boasting”
Emmet Fox quotes (American influential Author and Lecturer, 1886-1951)
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“There is an eagle in me that wants to soar and there is a hippopotamus in me that wants to wallow in the mud” ~Carl Sandburg~
Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:47 am
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deckyon
Knight
If you want to “critique” someone, the way to do it is to pick a photo, link it, and then talk about what is TECHNICALLY wrong AND right with it, then offer objective methods of improving the shot for the next time. Not use vague terms and throwing filters as a step around for getting settings right in the camera the first time. UV filters do not deal with overexposure or sunlight washout. That is what stopping down, decreasing the f/stop, increasing the shutter or using a neutral density filter does. Because I move in and out with different conditions (outside, shade, forest, pub) so ofter and so quick, I opt for stopping down the exposure since I know what I want in focus. I shoot AV mode 90% of the time. The rest, shutter priority or manual.
Oh, and if you ever decide to take a photo class, you will learn that overcast skies are the EASIEST to shoot in because it difuses the sunlight, making the colors more true to life, especially when the white balance is correct. BTW, the correction for Overexposure is to Underexpose, especially in digital media, which tend to overexpose anyway. Overexposure, as long as information is not gone, can be fixed. You can tell that with the histogram view both on the camera and in photoshop. I can pretty much guarentee that the white strip on my histogram is not solid top to bottom on the far right in 90% of my shots. If it is, it is on purpose for either effect or to get the shot.
Is there some reason why you decided not to capture the queen’s face and the girl’s face in http://arttower.ru/forum/uploads/monthly_02_2008/blogentry-839-1202314727.jpg Just showing the back of someone, when going 100 deg to the left would get bothe faces, telling an actual story rather than being a snapshot. Even with this being a “scan” it is easy to tell the focus is on the queen’s back, not the girl’s face. it is too soft where the queen’s back and the inlays are in sharp focus. was her dress the point of the photo? Also, if you really want to do a tight crop, then a landscape with only the queen’s face and the girl’s face would have better acomplished this, since there is no contact (shaking hands) between them. As to the knight on the horse, other than being on a lower plane than him, without either horizon or another aspect to give perspective, again it is a snapshot. There is no real perspective to show scale. A reflector or flash (yes, flash) would have made it so we could actually see his face.
http://arttower.ru/forum/uploads/monthly_11_2007/blogentry-839-1196322109.jpg lacks any real luster. He does present a great subject, but the color is drab even though it was overworked. Again, there is too much shadow and darkness. A reflector or indirect flash would take care of the off shadows and even out the skintone. The crop is again a bit off. Get the instrument in the frame. Tight crop only works when the elements that form the photo are all there. losing part of something that makes a major point in the photo (like the instrument) detracts and moves the eye off the photo before seeing the rest of it. Reshooting this using a different f-stop enough to slow down the shutter to get some motion blur on the second shutter flash setting would blur his hands but leave it sharp at the end of the action. This would have worked here because he is not actually singing and would have been still long enough (except his hands) to allow for the longer exposure and still have his profile in focus. f/8 and about 1/20 or 1/15 sec would acomplish this.
The last one, I wont comment on now – have to go eat.
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“Widdershins go when the Moon doth wane, and the werewolf howls by the dread wolfsbane.”
Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:23 pm
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deckyon
Knight
The funniest thing about this thread is that it was started out only to let people know the photos were up, and where to go to see them.
If I wanted to have my worked critiqued, I would have sent it to a professional and asked them for a critique. When I want my photos critiqued, I ask for it, and I am blatant about asking for it.
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“Widdershins go when the Moon doth wane, and the werewolf howls by the dread wolfsbane.”
Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:43 pm
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spirit
Knight of Cuchullain
Go Zoomie go, go Zoomie go!!!!!!
Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:12 pm
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Karl
I’ve got a renfaire problem
Your pictures of me make me look fat. WHAT’S UP WITH THAT????
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Pictures of Nuttin’ But Mud from Deckyon: too many to count.
Pictures of Nuttin’ But Mud from masked critics in blue dresses with nice figures: zero
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I love to cook with wine! Sometimes I even put it in the food. ~Slappy
Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:13 pm
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Sir James
Inn Keeper
Karl wrote:
Your pictures of me make me look fat. WHAT’S UP WITH THAT????
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Pictures of Nuttin’ But Mud from Deckyon: too many to count.
Pictures of Nuttin’ But Mud from masked critics in blue dresses with nice figures: zero
Karl, at least he didn’t catch you smoking…
Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:16 pm
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deckyon
Knight
yet!
_________________
“Widdershins go when the Moon doth wane, and the werewolf howls by the dread wolfsbane.”
Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:20 pm
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Admin
Site Admin
Congratulations you got my attention, thread locked before this gets out of hand, please remember this is the public forums.
Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:30 pm
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